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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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tonight

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i had wt watson

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who is a coffee addict and writer of

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both fiction and non-fiction he infuses

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his work with his expertise in

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cryptozoology monster lore magic for

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tiana

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and the paranormal he brings a unique

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shamanic and magical perspective to all

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his work for over 30 years of

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exploration into these topics

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when he is not writing or reading about

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monsters

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he can be found outdoors allowing his

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dogs to take him for a walk around the

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neighborhood

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in kitchener ontario

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he lives with his spouse stacey in the

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townhouse that would be jammed with

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books if it weren't for the e-reader

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travis recently published a book with

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beyond the furry publishing

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titled mysteries in the mist mist fog

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and clouds

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in the paranormal so travis thanks again

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for joining me this evening

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well thanks for having me lon i really

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look forward to uh having this

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opportunity to chat with you and and

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with your listeners so

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um

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looking forward to it

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well let's see

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mysteries in the mist missed fog and

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clouds in the paranormal okay

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tell us about it what inspired this book

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as you know because you had me on the

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show when that book came out too um i

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wrote a book on phantom black dogs it's

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called phantom black dogs walkers of the

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liminal way

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um

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and there are

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a couple of input streams for this book

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uh the first was some stories that i ran

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across when i was doing my my black dog

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research

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uh the one that stood out for me is uh

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this gentleman was a um an editor one of

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the first editors for the oxford english

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and um he and his family

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were on holiday in the mountains of

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england

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as happens in that area

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they got socked in by

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outdoors know that if you can't see

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where you're going you stop

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but apparently this gentleman didn't get

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that the kid didn't get that bulletin

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so um he was trying to blunder his way

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along the fog long and short of it is

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the classic phantom black dog you know

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large black dog with the glowing eyes

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and the whole schmear appears uh in

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front of him

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and blocks his way refuses to let him

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pass and uh you know he tries to go

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around this thing he tries to you know

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go forward and it just won't move

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the fog clears

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and lo and behold this dog had been

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preventing him from walking off cliff

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so this is a good example of the phantom

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black dog in its guardian aspect which

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so that was one thing i was like oh

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that's interesting um you know there's

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that fog thing

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there were a couple of other stories

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where black dogs appeared from the fog

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the if you remember we talked about the

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one where the the gentleman was out and

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hears this this black dog coming you can

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hear this howling right and he beats

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feet for the house and runs back in

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locks the door

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um his father seems to be made of

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sterner stuff and uh goes upstairs and

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looks out the widow and yep sure enough

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there's a black dog sitting out in his

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so this whole boy decides he's going to

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ventilate this thing

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gets out his his fouling piece his bird

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and uh fires

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several shots at this animal and only

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succeeds in ventilating his toilet

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but um again

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dog appears from the mist right i'm like

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that's interesting so i got thinking

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the other stream that that got me

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thinking about fog and mist and clouds

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in the paranormal

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was a personal experience i had a friend

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i call him nate in the book

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it's not his name i haven't seen him in

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years and you know wouldn't presume to

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nate was

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one of the original goth kids you know

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he was the guy who wore black and

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fingernail polish and the eyeliner and

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whole shear right and grew his hair out

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into the the classic heavy metal head

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banging look and

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the whole whole bit right it was also um

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and this is something you'd be

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interested in dabbler in the occult

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right

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um so

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stress on dabbler

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nate told me a story

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got up in the middle of the night and it

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felt compelled to get up in the middle

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of the night and went into the hallway

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of his apartment

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where there hung a mirror

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as he tells it when he looked at this

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mirror and again this could be a dream

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state he could have been out of body who

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the heck knows but when he looked at

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this mirror um

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he saw a fog

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swirling in the mirror

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compelled to enter the mirror

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fortunately for him

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uh his girlfriend was staying over that

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apparently he made enough noise to wake

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her up

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she jumps out of bed she comes into the

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hallway she finds him with his face

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literally plastered against this mirror

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as though he's actually trying to just

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walk into this thing

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she pulls him away from the mirror you

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know she lets him go he tries to go back

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to the mirror

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but she finally succeeds in getting him

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back to bed

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and settled back down and he remembers

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almost nothing about this in the morning

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um

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but it comes back to him as she starts

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to describe it to it

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the upshot of this is that he put away a

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lot of those books that he'd been

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reading

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and decided maybe this wasn't a fun

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so we had the missed

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motif there as well

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so i got thinking as i was doing the

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research for phantom black dogs and i

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was about to finish this book up and i

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was thinking you know i wonder how many

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uh paranormal stories and i use

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paranormal in a very broad sense of the

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word is anything outside the normal not

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just ghosts but anything you know

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sasquatches and whatever

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i wonder how many uh

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of these paranormal stories actually

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have a

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missed component to them a fog component

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to them

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so i started doing some research and lo

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and behold i went down the rabbit hole

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there are a lot

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um in fact there are so many of them

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that i would you know i talk in the book

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about jenny randalls and that the oz

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effect and the idea that

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paranormal experiences can be a

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accompanied by things like the silence

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which we all have have heard of that

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a feeling that something's about to

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happen uh and that that feeling that

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time is not

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uh running as it should you know either

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missing time or time goes too fast time

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this book decided that maybe we should

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add a fourth thing to that list and say

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that if you see any kind of a strange

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fog or mist when these things when you

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get that feeling that something's about

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to happen it might be time to go the

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other direction

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i had a lot of fun researching this

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because instead of just one topic like

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the phantom black dog book i got to talk

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about everything

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um there are cryptids in this book there

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are ufos in this book there are you know

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alien abductions there's

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fairy lore there's you know if you have

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an interest in the paranormal you're

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probably going to find something in this

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book that you're going like you know i i

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on my blog and put fog or mist in there

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you're gonna come up with a whole bunch

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incidents that that encompasses and uh

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the great man of ben mcdoug

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being quote haunted yeah

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however you want to put that

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buy a large bipedal

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supposedly bipedal

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gray man

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and um

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the interesting thing about the stories

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is that yes this being seems to uh

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use fog as cover

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um

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but the people that

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encounter this thing

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don't usually actually see the creature

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they hear it

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um you know so they get the footsteps

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and that feeling of being followed

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you know the time displacement and all

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that stuff the thing i found really

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interesting about this is that uh in the

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gray man stories

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um almost invariably what happens is

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that the individual encounters this this

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creepiness

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um

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and then they make a run for it

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now again

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you know if you've done any time

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outdoors

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um running on a mountain side is not a

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recommended activity

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oh

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yeah all of these people

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made it down from this mountain in one

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piece despite

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panicking and and fleeing for their

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lives basically

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um

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and you know the evidence that there was

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something on the mountain with them is

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is pretty sparse but it's stuff that you

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would see in

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uh like sasquatch encounters you know i

329
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mean we've all seen the shows and so

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forth where you know there's

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there's the the sound of footsteps the

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feeling of being followed

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up um you know whether we can attest to

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that being an actual physical creature

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or something else who knows

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um but uh so we we have the same

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circumstance but this is in great

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britain

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which is a a

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not a place that has a lot of forest

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cover

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um and certainly this mountainside if

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you've seen pictures of it doesn't have

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any forest cover until no it's not it's

345
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practically all of this

346
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it's just a big rock yeah um so what

347
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were these people encountering

348
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and the gray man had a had a cousin in

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wales it's called the monarch of the

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mists

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which

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again

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trespass on its domain

354
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to either disappear or have terrible

355
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accidents

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this thing always strikes me as being

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more of a you know type of a fairy or

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earth spirit type creature because

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you know that's kind of the reputation

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that it has

361
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the interesting thing is there is a

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story um from a town in wales that's not

363
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too far from the mountains where this

364
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this being is supposed to hold sway

365
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where fella is out walking his dog one

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day

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encounters this large he described it as

368
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a gorilla

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um in in the brush

370
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of course you know the dog freaks out

371
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and then he realizes that he has company

372
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and uh and he freezes and goes oh my god

373
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what is this thing it scared him so bad

374
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he reported it to the police and

375
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the interesting part about the story is

376
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that the local constabulary took this

377
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absolutely seriously and and even issued

378
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a statement that they would be

379
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investigating this quote-unquote yeti

380
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siding

381
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in the area that they took these things

382
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seriously and that they'd be increasing

383
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patrols in that area

384
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now you have to wonder

385
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you know

386
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how many people have been seeing weird

387
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things in this area that the cops are

388
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,079
just like oh yeah somebody else saw yeti

389
00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:24,480
over there we better see cars over that

390
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:26,800
direction you know that's an interesting

391
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,279
point you bring up and i have found that

392
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especially in wales as opposed to the

393
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other countries in uk

394
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um

395
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that

396
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the

397
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local authorities take a lot of this

398
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stuff serious

399
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i mean as far as

400
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cryptids or whatever i mean somebody

401
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,839
sees something

402
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:49,920
they don't normally pooh-pooh it they

403
00:14:55,189 --> 00:14:52,800
look into it and you know i i've always

404
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:55,199
thought that to be fascinating yeah

405
00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:57,120
you have to wonder if they ever actually

406
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caught something

407
00:15:01,269 --> 00:14:59,120
yeah

408
00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:01,279
and that's what convinced them you know

409
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,320
um yeah and of course the the welsh

410
00:15:07,590 --> 00:15:06,560
people have a long tradition of fairy

411
00:15:09,990 --> 00:15:07,600
lore

412
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:10,000
um dating back to you know who knows how

413
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:11,279
long um

414
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and so

415
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you know they're one of the celtic

416
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,360
peoples that lives you know cheek by

417
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jowl with the you know what the what

418
00:15:25,269 --> 00:15:23,839
they call the people of peace or the

419
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little ones or whatever they want to

420
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call them that week

421
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and i i think that that

422
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maybe

423
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alters their perception of

424
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you know

425
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:38,160
reality isn't as solid as we think it is

426
00:15:42,629 --> 00:15:40,160
right they also have a strong tradition

427
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of the second site in those countries so

428
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,639
uh clairvoyance

429
00:15:48,629 --> 00:15:46,480
you know i got a question here

430
00:15:51,430 --> 00:15:48,639
earlier on here and i

431
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,440
it's a good question uh nancy malcolm

432
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,000
asks about the cities and the clouds

433
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,240
that people report uh i know there was a

434
00:16:03,110 --> 00:15:58,560
famous case in in china

435
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:03,120
uh i have a few that were reported to me

436
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:06,800
about uh people that would be out in

437
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,199
the hudson river on

438
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or even on the the ferry

439
00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:14,399
uh the staten island ferry he would look

440
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,880
into the clouds and see the city

441
00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:18,639
in the clouds

442
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:20,880
did you look into any of those sightings

443
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:23,279
at all i didn't do that in the research

444
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,480
for this book okay i i do know the um i

445
00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:28,240
was looking more for monsters in the

446
00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:30,800
mist i guess

447
00:16:34,829 --> 00:16:32,639
but uh you know because i mean when you

448
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:34,839
do a book like this

449
00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:36,399
um

450
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,079
at some point you have to start saying

451
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,800
okay look i don't have room for it i get

452
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,480
it oh i understand

453
00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:44,880
you know you you've you've done your uh

454
00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,800
you know i know you've got several books

455
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,199
out um where you've

456
00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:51,199
taken citing information so far and you

457
00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:53,440
have to pick you have to pick and choose

458
00:16:57,590 --> 00:16:54,959
yeah um

459
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:57,600
so but uh these cloud city things i mean

460
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:59,440
i know that the conventional scientific

461
00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:01,040
explanation is that it's some kind of a

462
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:03,440
mirage yeah

463
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:06,640
maybe you know i mean i i tend to be a

464
00:17:10,870 --> 00:17:09,520
bo fan thinker uh you know i i've always

465
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,880
said you know for instance with

466
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,199
sasquatch uh it's like i'm perfectly

467
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:15,760
happy if there's a uh a relic dominant

468
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:16,640
or

469
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,720
a large bipedal ape running around in

470
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,240
the woods out there somewhere that would

471
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,160
be fine with me but i think there's

472
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,120
something far stranger going on as well

473
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:27,839
um and i think it just depends on who's

474
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:29,919
seeing this creature as to

475
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:32,640
to what what uh what kinds of things

476
00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:34,000
they're they're dealing with but the

477
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,000
same thing with this cloud city

478
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,480
maybe a mirage uh you know there may be

479
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:41,280
a an infection layer that's that's

480
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:43,360
causing people to see a part of the city

481
00:17:47,870 --> 00:17:45,679
at some distance from them

482
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:47,880
i know that that's possible

483
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:49,600
meteorologically

484
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:52,870
but

485
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:56,080
you know i'm a mystic and an animist and

486
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,520
uh you know like you say at the

487
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,760
beginning of it in your intro you know

488
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:01,679
you talk about monsters but i i live in

489
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,760
a world full of spirits you know they're

490
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,200
they're everywhere

491
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:07,919
um so i don't you know

492
00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:10,799
in gen-lord for instance you encounter

493
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:13,919
uh the idea that the gin have their own

494
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:16,480
uh civilization basically and that they

495
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:18,320
have cities and that they have social

496
00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,039
ranking and so forth i mean who's to say

497
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that under the right circumstances

498
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:24,960
um

499
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:26,840
you're not looking at

500
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:30,559
the dwelling of some spirit race uh

501
00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:32,960
column fairy call them gin column

502
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,080
whatever you know in my view

503
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:38,720
the spirit realm is so multitudinous

504
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:41,600
that we only really have names for a

505
00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,320
fraction of the things that uh that

506
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:47,200
could possibly be seen out there so yeah

507
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:50,160
um you know i i again i'm an either i'm

508
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:52,880
a boat and kind of thinker you know it

509
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,120
could be a garage some of them could be

510
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:57,200
mirages some of them could be something

511
00:19:00,070 --> 00:18:58,080
more

512
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,080
some of them could be instances of

513
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,880
spontaneous psychism where uh somebody

514
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,240
perhaps you know you're talking about

515
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:06,160
somebody riding a ferry

516
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,320
yeah maybe you're looking in the water

517
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,880
you get a little tranced out you have a

518
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:13,039
little latent psychic ability and boom

519
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,400
you see something in the clouds

520
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,640
i don't have a problem with that either

521
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:20,160
so there's there's lots of ways that

522
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:22,240
these cities could be explained

523
00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:23,039
um

524
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,360
you know some more acceptable to the

525
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:27,280
scientific establishments than others

526
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:28,400
but yeah

527
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:29,360
you know

528
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um

529
00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:32,799
yeah it's one of the fun things about

530
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,840
these

531
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,520
it's an interesting phenomena it really

532
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,559
is i mean i just you know i i have seen

533
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:40,240
pictures of what people are taking of

534
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:41,520
these things and

535
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:42,400
yeah

536
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:48,320
dispute it looks like an actual

537
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:52,000
city skyline a lot of these images so

538
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,520
yeah now

539
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,840
yeah you did talk about man wolves which

540
00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,240
is interesting because we're we're

541
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,080
getting involved with a big case i think

542
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,080
potential big case now

543
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:03,840
yeah

544
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,799
on the forefront of that particular uh

545
00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:08,400
yeah well

546
00:20:12,789 --> 00:20:10,960
in pennsylvania i mean you guys between

547
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,799
you and linda godfrey you know i've got

548
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,559
all the manual stories i could ever wish

549
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,159
for

550
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,039
and and to be fair i love that stuff

551
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,039
yeah i mean that's one of my favorite

552
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,120
cryptids if i had to pick a favorite you

553
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,799
know and if i was going to run into

554
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:26,400
anything i think a man wolf would be an

555
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:28,720
interesting thing to see but

556
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,240
um but

557
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:32,000
we're actually

558
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,080
we're looking into one now it just

559
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:36,400
started but it's it may be a big case i

560
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:37,679
don't know we'll see

561
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:38,720
uh

562
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,840
you know speaking of that speaking of

563
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:46,240
the manuals or just you you talked about

564
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,840
linda and the beast of

565
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,840
brave road you know the the the

566
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,600
gentleman who owns that former lee

567
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,720
hemphill

568
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,880
he talked about these uh

569
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:56,720
these beings

570
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,600
manifesting out of these mist and things

571
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:00,960
disappearing

572
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,799
out of these mist

573
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:05,280
and associated with the the beast of

574
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:08,080
bray road yeah

575
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,280
go ahead

576
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,000
yeah one of the original um beast of

577
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:14,480
bray road witnesses

578
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,600
i think it was taurus

579
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,880
i don't remember the last name but

580
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,559
foggy night

581
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,080
um

582
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,760
you know encounters this thing coming

583
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:27,760
out of the fog

584
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,799
so almost immediately upon

585
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:33,440
this thing starting to make itself known

586
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:37,909
instance

587
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:40,400
and and that happened on more than one

588
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,000
occasion there there was a story of a

589
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,400
lady who was driving in california i

590
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:47,919
believe and

591
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:49,280
going to work

592
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:53,280
and arrives at work of a blithering mess

593
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:54,320
because

594
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,559
this creature this man wolf creature uh

595
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,880
came out of the fog and actually jumped

596
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:02,640
on the hood of her car

597
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,840
uh scared the jesus out of her of course

598
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,960
and um

599
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,159
you know jumped on the hood of the car

600
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:10,240
and then jumped off and of course she

601
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:11,280
took off

602
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,640
got to work and and she was just a mess

603
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:16,320
um and the

604
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,280
fellow who actually wrote to linda and

605
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,280
gave her the story

606
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,679
you know had to basically translate for

607
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,360
her she didn't want to talk about it

608
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:26,559
anymore

609
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:27,360
um

610
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,360
but you know he got the story from her

611
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,600
the day that it happened so

612
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,720
uh

613
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,480
you know so again

614
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,159
you know and one of the things that i

615
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:38,159
talk about in the book is it seems like

616
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:39,440
some of these

617
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:44,880
creatures are either using the mist as a

618
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,320
maybe a camouflage

619
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,799
you know which would make sense yeah for

620
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,960
something like a wolf is an ambush

621
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,919
predator you know so one presumes that a

622
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,919
man wolf would behave in much the same

623
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:58,960
way

624
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,760
um so using fog as cover you know you

625
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,360
always see man wolves appearing from

626
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,520
cornfields it's like what a great place

627
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,880
to hide right

628
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,960
corn fields fog nobody would see this

629
00:23:12,789 --> 00:23:10,400
thing coming

630
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,799
um and so

631
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,240
um

632
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,159
you see that uh you know and then we

633
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,080
talked about the monarch of the mist the

634
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:19,520
gray band

635
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,760
materializing or being heard in the fog

636
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:26,000
so in some instances it seems like these

637
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:27,919
creatures are using

638
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,280
the uh the fog for cover

639
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:33,600
they're using it as a camouflage

640
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,480
now

641
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,720
they may also be using it as camouflage

642
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,720
for how they got there

643
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,520
um you know if we start to to go down

644
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:43,679
the rabbit hole of talking about portals

645
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:46,000
or window areas or whatever it is you

646
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,919
want to call it i like to think of them

647
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:49,279
as portals

648
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,120
um then you know it may be that the fog

649
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,799
is something that

650
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,559
happens as a result of one of these

651
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,400
things opening or it comes through the

652
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,400
opening and helps to cover whatever's

653
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,400
coming through

654
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,960
entirely possible you know

655
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:07,039
especially if you start to think about

656
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,320
uh

657
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:11,840
these these beings coming through and

658
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,440
taking on a more solid form so

659
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,880
you um

660
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:18,640
you talked ab in the book get a chapter

661
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,279
and about flying beings uh what what

662
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:23,919
beings in particular we talking about

663
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,559
well you know i i was looking at uh at

664
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,880
flying humanoids when i first started

665
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,360
but uh and there's the the are saying

666
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,760
that story from uh ken gerhart

667
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,600
in the book that's uh

668
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,760
you know basically this fellow is a

669
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,960
scientist

670
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,080
uh he's out doing exploration for the

671
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:45,039
geographical society for

672
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:46,720
for russia

673
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:49,120
he's in you know a remote mountain

674
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,720
region

675
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,760
and again he's walking with his dog

676
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:57,200
along riverbank deep fog

677
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,269
the flapping of large wings and see

678
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,360
something indistinct in

679
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,799
in the fog

680
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:08,559
moving away from him

681
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,760
he'd heard a disturbance in the bush

682
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,320
being a brave sort of fellow he thought

683
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,919
he might flush this thing out so he

684
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,000
threw a rock at it

685
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,640
and then something large and winged took

686
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:23,919
off from the uh from the underbrush

687
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,840
now he didn't actually see a

688
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,200
humanoid but

689
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,360
uh when he went back to talk to the

690
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,440
native people um

691
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,000
in his camp they were all like oh yeah

692
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:39,600
yeah we know what that is it's like okay

693
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,880
what was it oh it's this guy you know

694
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:45,760
uh we see him every now and again he has

695
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,679
wings he flies around

696
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,679
sometimes we'll see tracks and you know

697
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,240
the tracks will walk along for a few

698
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,159
steps and then they'll disappear you

699
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,240
know because he took off they were very

700
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:58,320
nonchalant about it that's interesting

701
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:00,880
because we've run into that phenomenon

702
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,360
oh yeah with jc johnson and i oh yeah

703
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:05,279
when we used to talk about these tracks

704
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,740
disappearing

705
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,159
[Music]

706
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,360
famous for that stuff yeah and it's like

707
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,360
i mean what the hell is frightening

708
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,600
wings and taking off it's um

709
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,120
yeah it's like you're sprouting wings

710
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:18,960
and taking off or it's walking through

711
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,480
into another community

712
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,080
into a portal or something absolutely

713
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:23,279
yeah

714
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,799
case we had a case out there actually at

715
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,200
in the reservation of a um

716
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,440
of a winged humanoid that

717
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,240
everybody said looked like the

718
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,320
creepers jeepers jeepers creepers oh

719
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,640
yeah yeah monster remember that

720
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,640
yeah so

721
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,720
i don't know i i i you know i'll be

722
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,559
honest with you you know with all these

723
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,720
these wing beans and wings humanoids and

724
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,400
stuff that we've been

725
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:52,400
we've been working on i

726
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,200
don't

727
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,520
really recall though i may be wrong of

728
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,000
anything involving mr

729
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,720
or any type of fog associated with it i

730
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,200
could be wrong but yeah there was some

731
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:04,960
um

732
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,799
in in one of the original mothman

733
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:08,960
sightings i mentioned this in the book

734
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,080
uh there's mention of the creature

735
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:15,039
disappearing into like a fog or dust

736
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:16,080
cloud

737
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,679
um that was about the only thing that i

738
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,840
came up with as far as mothman goes it's

739
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,480
in the miscellaneous section of the book

740
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,279
um but the other interesting so there

741
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,440
was a flying humanoid story there's also

742
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:29,840
a great story in the book about

743
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,640
pterodactyls in the mist

744
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,760
um this fellow's uh

745
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,200
he's surfing

746
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:39,760
and this guy must be really freaking

747
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,039
dedicated because it is cold he's

748
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,679
wearing you know a dry suit and the

749
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,200
whole smear but

750
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:50,000
the the water is is is really really

751
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:53,679
cold and uh he's out doing his thing

752
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,559
um

753
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,120
and the fog rolls in

754
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,279
and he swears

755
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,039
that this thing knocked him off his

756
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,960
surfboard

757
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:04,640
he was a

758
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,440
a body shop he's pretty buff right and

759
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,200
he says this thing took him right off

760
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,559
his surfboard knocked him into the water

761
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,720
and he got a good look at it when he

762
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,279
came up and you know it was the classic

763
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,840
pterodactyl with the or i guess they

764
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,600
call it a pterodon

765
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,080
pterosaur pterodactyl

766
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,720
um you know with the the head ridge and

767
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:31,360
the the bat wings and the you know the

768
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:34,000
interesting coloring and so forth said

769
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,600
this thing went right over the top of

770
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,520
him and of course nobody else saw it

771
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,720
even though he was surfing with the

772
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,559
buddy nobody else saw it because of the

773
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:42,480
fog

774
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,279
so

775
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:45,679
did he actually see a pterosaur was he

776
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,039
seeing the ghost of a pterosaur was he

777
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:51,600
uh having a spontaneous psychic event

778
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,640
where he you know went back in time

779
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:56,960
was he time traveling for a minute who

780
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,600
knows but it was a great story because

781
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,440
he you know he he

782
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,840
remembers this thing actually taking him

783
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,440
off the surfboard

784
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,120
um so

785
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,440
yeah so those are a couple of the flying

786
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:11,679
things that uh that appeared in the in

787
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,880
the book

788
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,039
i just want to thank peace for their

789
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,760
donation much appreciated

790
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,720
um

791
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,750
the pterosaur thing you know that whole

792
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,799
thing

793
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,880
freaks me out anyway you know i've been

794
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,640
i've gotten a lot of reports about those

795
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:30,720
things for years now

796
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,640
and uh i've had all kinds of um

797
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,520
people

798
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,600
give me their interpretation of what it

799
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,039
is of course

800
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
you know the people

801
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:42,480
seen these traditionally in papua new

802
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,360
guinea the romans and then you had the

803
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,039
1903 sightings in

804
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,960
the van meter iowa yeah and then every

805
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,960
every place else in between it seems

806
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,960
like it seems like the midwest in

807
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,240
particular

808
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,720
us going in from the midwest up into the

809
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,039
upper midwest has seems to be a flyway

810
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,360
or seems to be an area where a lot of

811
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,840
these are seen at yeah and then and then

812
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,600
down into the mountains of

813
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,679
mexico absolutely

814
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,080
yeah where where they take these things

815
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,600
pretty much for granted it's like oh

816
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,600
yeah they're they're witches flying

817
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
around we have terrorist doors

818
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,880
yeah now you just got to be careful when

819
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,960
you go outside because

820
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:26,640
you never know what might be flying

821
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,120
around out there yeah that whole flying

822
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,039
witch thing down in monterey and down

823
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,200
there those areas there i i you know

824
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,480
we've all seen the the videos and

825
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,919
you look at it and you think well it

826
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:39,600
looks like somebody's on some type of

827
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,080
device or something but yeah as you're

828
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,640
looking at it and you think well

829
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,000
why the hell are they out there in the

830
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,159
middle of nowhere out in these you know

831
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,720
these mountains flying around this thing

832
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,559
so yeah but then there's and then

833
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,720
there's the case of that one uh police

834
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,399
officer who who

835
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,039
the living jeezy scared out of him by

836
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,799
this thing and and actually lost

837
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:02,799
consciousness that scared him so bad

838
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,440
that's right yeah yeah he attested to it

839
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,360
yeah i mean he said that they dropped

840
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,840
right in front of him and and

841
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,240
you know i think he quite a lot

842
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,399
yeah i've known a lot of cops in my life

843
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,039
right um yeah i worked in security for

844
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,000
you know the in my younger years and and

845
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,000
had frequent interactions law

846
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,159
enforcement and i just can't ever

847
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:26,080
picture any of the cops that i've known

848
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:26,770
you know going

849
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,399
[Laughter]

850
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,320
but so this thing must have scared the

851
00:31:37,269 --> 00:31:35,360
crap out of him yeah well if it's what

852
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,279
he said it looked like it probably would

853
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:38,880
have scared the crap out of me too i

854
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,120
mean you know i've seen a lot of things

855
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:43,919
but i don't know about that that would

856
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:46,960
do it for me i think i'd probably be you

857
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:53,430
one of the most unbelievable stories

858
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,760
that are events that are in the college

859
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,840
you've come up with this

860
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:00,240
so

861
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,990
because there are

862
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,159
a bunch of stories in this book that

863
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,799
will make you go what

864
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:15,039
they did what

865
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,159
but

866
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,919
probably my favorite set of stories in

867
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,679
the book um

868
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,240
i have a whole series called mysterious

869
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,320
myths because you know like i said i

870
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,440
talk about uh the cryptids i talk about

871
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,600
ufos i talk about

872
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,440
you know flying things and fairies and

873
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,440
all that stuff right

874
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,120
but there's a whole

875
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,640
section of stories that i found that

876
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,600
uh

877
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:40,559
don't

878
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:43,519
really relate to a being

879
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,320
you're just weird clouds

880
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:47,360
okay

881
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,159
may or may not believe find this

882
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,120
unbelievable my favorite story um

883
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,799
and it's because it has kind of a

884
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,399
personal uh

885
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,919
thing to me i was a big fan of the six

886
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,600
million dollar man when i was a kid

887
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:02,799
right okay

888
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,000
remember that show oh yeah so so um i'm

889
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,919
a child of the seventies because yeah

890
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,240
yeah yeah you remember martin caden

891
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:12,960
we're probably of an age

892
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,000
martin caden the guy who wrote cyborg

893
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:17,919
which is the book that the six million

894
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,919
dollar band was based on had an

895
00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:21,519
experience

896
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:23,600
um caden in addition to being a

897
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,120
best-selling author was also a pilot um

898
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:29,679
it was naval pilot

899
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:32,320
and in this particular circumstance he

900
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:36,080
and about six other naval aviators were

901
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,919
flying a uh

902
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,679
an advanced

903
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,389
i forget the exact type of aircraft but

904
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,320
it's one of those types of aircraft that

905
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,480
they use for surveillance

906
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,559
um you know so it's got all the radars

907
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:52,720
and drones or you know bells and

908
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,519
whistles and electronic navigation and

909
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,720
sat nav and all that fun stuff right

910
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,679
just a complete suite of

911
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,600
electronic counter measures and all that

912
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,960
kind of fun thing

913
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,679
so he and this group of pilots are

914
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,119
flying this this

915
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,520
aircraft back across the the atlantic

916
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,879
from europe

917
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:15,760
um and they are coincidentally in what

918
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:19,679
we think of as the bermuda triangle

919
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,079
well caden was not flying when this

920
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,560
happened he was actually observing but

921
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,839
he was on deck with pilots

922
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,599
he says that he looked to his right and

923
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,560
the wing of the aircraft disappeared

924
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,119
this fog this cloud that they came into

925
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,000
was so thick that he could not see the

926
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:40,320
wing of the aircraft

927
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:44,159
and they flew into this this cloud

928
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:46,320
and

929
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,440
literally

930
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,399
lost all navigational instruments all

931
00:34:54,069 --> 00:34:53,040
electronics all radio everything went

932
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:54,079
dead

933
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,359
redkening and if if they had been if

934
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,520
this had not been a seasoned group of

935
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,599
aviators people who

936
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,599
you know had been flying for years and

937
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,440
years

938
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,200
you know there's no telling what would

939
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,040
happen because they didn't have altitude

940
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,200
measurements or anything you know they

941
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,680
had lost all instrumentation

942
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,320
and they couldn't see anything

943
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,560
they were flying blind trying to get

944
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,720
this aircraft out of this cloud

945
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,920
um

946
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,119
and they continued to fly blind for

947
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:29,440
20 minutes or so i believe

948
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,119
um they finally emerged from the cloud

949
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:35,440
and as soon as they came out of this

950
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:36,320
thing

951
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,720
um and they discovered that they had

952
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:43,040
covered a significant distance in that

953
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,560
time

954
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:45,440
so

955
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,000
those uh bermuda triangle stories you

956
00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:55,200
hear from these pilots where they like

957
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,000
they go into a fog or a mist or into a

958
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:00,320
cloud and when they

959
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:03,520
they lose all control and uh of the the

960
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,400
uh

961
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,400
the the um

962
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,839
uh

963
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,400
of the gauges and such and you know

964
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:12,480
everything is spinning around and going

965
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,720
crazy and they end up like 100 200 not i

966
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,359
mean miles out off course or something

967
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,520
like that it's

968
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:23,520
like you're going into a time slip or

969
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,480
something yeah or they end up uh

970
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,320
farther along their flight path than

971
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,400
they they should be yeah

972
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,400
yeah there's a story in the book about

973
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,079
that

974
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,480
the really incredible ones to me are the

975
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,280
teleportation stories though oh okay

976
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,599
there's a couple of stories out of a

977
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,359
place called bahia blanca i think it's

978
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,280
in argentina

979
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,119
and my favorite is this fella is a

980
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:50,079
businessman he's you know he's the the

981
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,000
dude who's traveling on business and

982
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:54,800
he's at this hotel um

983
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,280
he goes out to his new car

984
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,000
and he starts to drive away off to

985
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:01,760
wherever it was he was going for his

986
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,560
next uh next business stop

987
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:05,760
um

988
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:09,119
he drives into this cloud

989
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:10,480
and

990
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,920
his uh his instrument his car dies

991
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,920
you know uh typical thing you know it's

992
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,000
like when you you know the the ufo

993
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:20,320
stories where the car dies right right

994
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,760
so his car dies he's like huh

995
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,200
okay so he gets out of the car

996
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,680
and the next thing he knows

997
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,440
he's in mexico

998
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,960
wow

999
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:33,760
um

1000
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,400
so this is the the kicker to this though

1001
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,520
is this guy goes to the local police

1002
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,640
station

1003
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,280
to find out where the hell he is

1004
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:45,200
they tell him that he's in some town in

1005
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:46,880
mexico i forget where he where it was he

1006
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:49,599
ended up see several hundred kilometers

1007
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,670
the cops call the hotel

1008
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,480
and the hotel personnel go outside and

1009
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:00,480
they find his car sitting in the

1010
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,630
but the driver is in mexico

1011
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:09,839
yeah

1012
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,800
well you know i have heard a few like

1013
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:16,720
that yeah there's there's several of

1014
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,599
them in the book you know

1015
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,200
that's really weird what car are you

1016
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,359
even actually running yet yeah this car

1017
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,599
is still still going you know

1018
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,040
and he got out of the car because it

1019
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,560
stopped so

1020
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,160
okay how did that happen

1021
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,079
you know but it you know the the

1022
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,400
teleportation ranges from you know

1023
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,240
there's there's another one where doctor

1024
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,839
and his wife are driving down the road

1025
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,920
and they drive into this cloud again in

1026
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,839
that bihia blanca area and they end up

1027
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,440
in mexico

1028
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:48,160
with the car

1029
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:51,760
the whole thing translates almost

1030
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,200
instantaneously to mexico do you believe

1031
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:57,280
is there any lost time involved with any

1032
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:00,960
of these uh this is instantaneous in the

1033
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,079
in the the circumstance with the the

1034
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,079
gentleman in the hotel

1035
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,640
almost no time okay um i mean you know

1036
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,320
he

1037
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,320
long enough for him to go find a police

1038
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:14,079
station and then call the hotel but it

1039
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,520
was a short enough period of time to

1040
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,200
where they could go out and find his car

1041
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:19,280
sitting there running

1042
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,240
um

1043
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,800
the the doctor if i remember he and his

1044
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,880
wife disappeared for a short period of

1045
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:26,000
time

1046
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,920
they don't have any cognizance of how

1047
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,839
long they were gone but the next thing

1048
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,680
they knew they were in mexico

1049
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,280
and they ended up having to drive back

1050
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:34,720
to argentina

1051
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:37,359
well that's nuts yeah yeah that's really

1052
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:38,640
nuts

1053
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,440
so

1054
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:42,160
and then there's a smaller scale case

1055
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:45,200
where a young girl comes out of her

1056
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,800
out of the front door of her house and

1057
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,720
walks into a yellow fog

1058
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,000
and ends up

1059
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,000
she's on the outskirts of the city that

1060
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:55,119
they lived in ends up downtown

1061
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:56,960
instantaneously

1062
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,160
um goes to somebody's house and asks for

1063
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:01,680
help and they take her to the police

1064
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,079
station and you know they call her

1065
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,800
parents to come get her because but they

1066
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,359
have no idea how she got there

1067
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,040
and they and and

1068
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,040
it's one of the brothers or somebody saw

1069
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,680
her actually walk into the cloud oh yeah

1070
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,960
and disappear

1071
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,079
and they were

1072
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,920
of course freaking out until the cops

1073
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,319
called to tell them that oh yeah your

1074
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,200
kid is down here um so

1075
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:28,079
yeah so it's like so do these these

1076
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,720
clouds sometimes hide portals that you

1077
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,520
know

1078
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:33,200
well you would think that's what's going

1079
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,630
once again peace thanks so much for

1080
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,640
generous donations really really

1081
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,920
appreciate it

1082
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,160
um

1083
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,839
yeah i mean the first thing i'm thinking

1084
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,640
is that well he either hit a portal or

1085
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,560
something abducted it for

1086
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,200
whatever reason but yeah you know you

1087
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,200
hear all these things you up and then

1088
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,440
beams you back down yeah you hear all

1089
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,400
these missing 4-1-1 stories and such

1090
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,880
where people just suddenly disappear and

1091
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,280
the first thing i i think of is well

1092
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,200
they walked into something a portal or

1093
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:08,480
something and

1094
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,760
uh got taken to another dimension

1095
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,640
another reality another location on this

1096
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,760
reality

1097
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,920
and i talk about fairy lore in the book

1098
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,880
and yeah

1099
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:21,040
it's a very you know i mean everybody

1100
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,720
wants to talk about aliens when you talk

1101
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,400
about abduction but the original

1102
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:26,880
abductors were the fairy folk

1103
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,920
you know and it wasn't at all uncommon

1104
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,839
for someone to

1105
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,200
uh

1106
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,599
you know to encounter the and the fairy

1107
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,920
were known to use mist and fog to

1108
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,079
obscure their presence right so it

1109
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,079
wasn't all uncommon for someone to

1110
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,240
encounter these beings in the fog and

1111
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,640
end up in fairy land

1112
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:49,760
and sometimes they got out and sometimes

1113
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:53,510
um

1114
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,720
yeah and when they did get out uh there

1115
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:59,440
was that displacement of time because

1116
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,480
they would

1117
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,400
uh think that they had been dancing with

1118
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,000
the fairy for a week and they'd actually

1119
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:06,319
been gone for a year or something along

1120
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:07,440
that line

1121
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,480
um so

1122
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,240
it's like to change these stories those

1123
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,640
things usually freaked me out

1124
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,400
you know yeah i love that thing where

1125
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,839
that you know it's like okay well we

1126
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,240
have a changeling child here so what we

1127
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,079
have to do is put it on a shovel and

1128
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:22,079
hold it over the fire

1129
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,200
yeah

1130
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,640
you know and then the fairies will come

1131
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,119
and get it and bring our baby back oh

1132
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,800
man yeah

1133
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,440
you know i was i wonder what the origin

1134
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,920
of a lot of the stories are were people

1135
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,920
actually abducting babies and

1136
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,240
it it it turned out that they started

1137
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,400
believing that fairies were doing it or

1138
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,400
do you have any idea that i know the

1139
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:43,839
topic

1140
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,319
because you know i'm i'm i i live for

1141
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,280
this stuff so

1142
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,000
um i think that in the the changeling

1143
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,319
stories we have again you know this is

1144
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:58,000
one of those things where you can't say

1145
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,530
this is the cause

1146
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,680
[Music]

1147
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,160
because what you have is is a whole

1148
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,400
series of things you know sometimes i

1149
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,960
think what happened was that you know

1150
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,640
the child simply had some kind of

1151
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,400
wasting disease that you know back in

1152
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:14,720
that time they could identify they

1153
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,680
couldn't diagnose and so there was an

1154
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:19,920
explanation that you know the child had

1155
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,160
been taken by the ferry

1156
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:24,400
remember that the ferry were intimately

1157
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,720
associated with the dead

1158
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,920
in in celtic lore too so

1159
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:31,119
you know there was that kind of

1160
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:32,400
crisscross

1161
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,200
where

1162
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,359
you know if someone had a an illness

1163
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,880
like that a lot of times it got

1164
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:38,880
attributed to the fairy

1165
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:42,160
um you know there are

1166
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:43,800
uh certainly

1167
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,960
circumstances where there are spirits

1168
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,640
that prey on

1169
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,599
uh

1170
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:50,880
human beings

1171
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,210
um

1172
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:52,800
[Music]

1173
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,599
and

1174
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:54,720
you know

1175
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,079
those

1176
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,520
uh

1177
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,000
incidences can be traumatic

1178
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,280
and can produce i think a type of ptsd

1179
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,640
that results in wasting

1180
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,720
um and then you know it's entirely

1181
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,359
possible that uh you know that you know

1182
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:13,839
that someone was taking

1183
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,560
that

1184
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,160
occasionally someone took a baby and

1185
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,760
replaced it with somebody else's baby

1186
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:19,359
that was dying

1187
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,040
that could happen

1188
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,920
and you know i mean the fairy uh

1189
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,640
have a long history of relationship with

1190
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,400
human beings

1191
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:29,920
um and

1192
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,040
so it's not in my mind beyond the realm

1193
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,599
of possibility we know that for instance

1194
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,640
certain

1195
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,760
uh

1196
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,560
clans in scotland were known to be

1197
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:43,440
terrific pipers because they had made

1198
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,079
bargains with the ferry that there were

1199
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,040
clans in ireland who became terrific

1200
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:51,440
fiddlers the same way

1201
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,319
um

1202
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:54,240
and then we you know go way down the

1203
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,480
rabbit hole to the whole idea of meeting

1204
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,240
the devil at the crossroads and all that

1205
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,520
stuff but

1206
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,760
um

1207
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,440
so you know

1208
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,359
you know who's to say that the fairy

1209
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:08,160
aren't borrowing kids occasionally

1210
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,119
um

1211
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,200
you know i i'm certainly

1212
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,480
not gonna say that that could happen

1213
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,640
um because

1214
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,640
you know i i've known some folks who

1215
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,440
were

1216
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:21,839
intimately associated with the fairy and

1217
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:24,079
can tell you some really really weird

1218
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,200
stories

1219
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,119
me too and i was just going to say that

1220
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,200
i i have had people

1221
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,480
who have had it

1222
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,480
they swear they have had encounters with

1223
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:33,760
these things

1224
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:35,839
uh i mean they even got me believing

1225
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,079
them and uh you know yeah i'm not

1226
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:39,760
necessarily

1227
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,480
into the fairy lore but of course i'm

1228
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,440
gonna listen to anybody and and try to

1229
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,800
figure out what they're trying to tell

1230
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,480
me but uh

1231
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,400
yeah some of this stuff is pretty

1232
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:53,760
interesting and um i i'm not gonna doubt

1233
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,960
anybody you know i mean

1234
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,400
yeah you do yeah

1235
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:01,040
i've had enough weird stuff well okay so

1236
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,319
good example

1237
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,000
um i was doing uh a an interview for

1238
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:08,560
another podcast and

1239
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,440
uh

1240
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,800
talking about um ufos

1241
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,240
because this this person has a

1242
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,319
particular interest in that uh in that

1243
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,359
area

1244
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:19,280
and we had the

1245
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,800
damnedest time with sound that day

1246
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:23,920
um

1247
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:26,480
you know it just it happens it happens

1248
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,079
you know i mean sometimes you just we

1249
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,079
had trouble with sounds my headphones

1250
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,839
wouldn't work you know

1251
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,880
just

1252
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,160
you know we had a couple of really

1253
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,400
strong glitches uh

1254
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:40,079
you know where things just wouldn't work

1255
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,119
at all

1256
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,599
um i'm sure he had to do some pretty

1257
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,599
extensive editing on that show to get it

1258
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:47,119
to come out right

1259
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,720
um so you know i mean this kind of stuff

1260
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,160
happens and everybody wants to go oh

1261
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,400
well that's just coincidence

1262
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,200
it's a coincidence if it happens once

1263
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,359
yeah when it happens to all the time you

1264
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,640
know

1265
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,480
that's that goes beyond the realm of

1266
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,359
coincidence it seems any time i'm doing

1267
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,160
a show about

1268
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,480
clearings and you know people being

1269
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,480
possessed and such

1270
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,480
we always start getting gremlins and we

1271
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,119
start getting disembodied voices over

1272
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,720
over the audio

1273
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,520
that's happened many times with me yeah

1274
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,280
and um

1275
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,520
you know and i always warned the guests

1276
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,040
look

1277
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,119
just be aware of it

1278
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,599
it always happens and it it usually does

1279
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,839
happen some to some degree

1280
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,440
but uh yeah

1281
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,200
do what we can to prevent technical

1282
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,359
issues but you know

1283
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,359
well the phenomena just follow some of

1284
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,760
us you know and you know

1285
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,520
i guess i'm pretty used to it but you

1286
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,280
know sometimes you get a guest that's

1287
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:50,000
kind of freaked out by

1288
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,839
yeah

1289
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,280
well never seen enough weird crap in my

1290
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,000
life well you and me both yeah

1291
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,599
um

1292
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,079
you you also talk about vampires

1293
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:03,040
oh yeah okay uh so it's a good vampire

1294
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:04,480
story

1295
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,680
okay well

1296
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,319
basically what happened is i went down a

1297
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:10,640
rabbit hole because um

1298
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,000
a certain author that i had been reading

1299
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,839
maintained that

1300
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:17,920
uh vampires

1301
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:19,920
were shape-shifting creatures that were

1302
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,559
able to turn themselves into fog

1303
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,559
i thought you know

1304
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,280
i've read that in you know fiction books

1305
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,839
you know dracula does it right

1306
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:32,000
so i wonder if there's any basis in lore

1307
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,520
for that

1308
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,680
so i went down the rabbit hole looking

1309
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,720
for

1310
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,640
you know because to me it's always about

1311
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,119
the stories you know it's like you know

1312
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,680
and and you know it may be a witness

1313
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:44,880
account

1314
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,839
uh

1315
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,119
or it may be

1316
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:49,200
some of the folklore because

1317
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,480
those old

1318
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,520
folks

1319
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,880
actually knew what they were talking

1320
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,400
about

1321
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:56,160
you know everybody you know everybody

1322
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:58,480
wants to think that you know folklore is

1323
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,920
just you know

1324
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:01,920
the stories of superstitious people who

1325
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,800
didn't know any better but um you know

1326
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,200
they actually knew how to

1327
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,240
uh associate with the the spirits that

1328
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,480
they were

1329
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:14,880
having

1330
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,200
contact with on a regular basis calm

1331
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,400
spirits of the land whatever you want to

1332
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,079
call them

1333
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:22,079
um so i went looking for

1334
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,520
first off about

1335
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,400
vampires uh in particular and

1336
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:28,319
uh of course the the

1337
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:35,270
well of of lore for

1338
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,319
vampire stuff is in eastern europe

1339
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,960
and i i went hunting for this you know

1340
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,880
our vampires able to turn themselves

1341
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,960
into fog and mist

1342
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:45,839
and

1343
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,810
the answer is

1344
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:50,079
[Music]

1345
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:55,589
but

1346
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,400
they're with the the caveat that there

1347
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,800
are several stories in the war

1348
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,200
of a vampire being able to enter the

1349
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,319
house through a keyhole

1350
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,319
or a chimney

1351
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,119
like all of santa claus right

1352
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,359
um so one of the things you had to do if

1353
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:14,880
you feared that you had a vampire

1354
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,160
infestation was be sure that um

1355
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:20,559
be sure that your house was guarded by

1356
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:23,359
you know garlic and whatever on

1357
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,160
any place any little place where the

1358
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,319
vampire could get through so there's

1359
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,960
kind of the uh implication

1360
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,880
that the vampire is able to either make

1361
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,760
itself really small or make itself

1362
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,240
immaterial and and make its way through

1363
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,680
these these

1364
00:50:42,390 --> 00:50:41,359
these keyholes

1365
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,400
um

1366
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,559
i didn't get deeply into

1367
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,520
like witness accounts um

1368
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:48,559
because

1369
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:55,190
i'm not going to say that it's not

1370
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:56,480
reliable

1371
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,160
um but there's a lot of of uh

1372
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,480
people fantasizing yeah

1373
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,040
about these creatures yeah i agree um

1374
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,319
and what they do and it's really hard to

1375
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,640
separate the the wheat from the chaff

1376
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,720
when you get into those stories

1377
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,800
now i'm all again like you i'm always

1378
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:16,240
willing to give people the benefit of

1379
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,359
the doubt

1380
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,559
um

1381
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,440
but

1382
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:20,880
you know you read some of these things

1383
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:24,000
and you're like okay you read that in a

1384
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,190
twilight novel

1385
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:27,599
[Music]

1386
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,559
um

1387
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,640
so mostly what i focused on when i was

1388
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,800
doing the vampire section was

1389
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:33,680
you know

1390
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,480
are they able to to make themselves into

1391
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,520
mr fogg and the answer is kind of

1392
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,280
maybe

1393
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,520
um you know it's interesting i i you

1394
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,160
talked about that and i i i just thought

1395
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:48,800
of something about alien

1396
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,839
encounters and um

1397
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,800
uh

1398
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,319
we're usually when they're like their

1399
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,720
long-term uh thing where it happens

1400
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,280
continuously i have had cases of people

1401
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:01,920
contacting me about

1402
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:02,839
them

1403
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,079
having i i don't know how

1404
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:08,000
you've heard this before or not

1405
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,640
of actual alien beings being able to

1406
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,400
trans

1407
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,599
mute into some type of electrical energy

1408
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:18,720
or some type of mr fog and travel

1409
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:21,520
through electric conduits and

1410
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,119
and water conduits in a house to get in

1411
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,880
yeah have you heard about it hurting

1412
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,480
anything like that

1413
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,400
yeah i i

1414
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:32,240
it may have been something that i read

1415
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,319
on on your blog probably to recall uh

1416
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,040
having having uh

1417
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:42,160
uh having seen that somewhere um

1418
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:44,079
there's also plenty of stories where the

1419
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,599
aliens just seem to walk through the

1420
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:47,440
walls

1421
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:48,720
and

1422
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,640
when i read that kind of stuff you know

1423
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,000
again

1424
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,640
both and thinker i think it's entirely

1425
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,160
possible that

1426
00:53:00,309 --> 00:52:57,839
you know we may be

1427
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:00,319
being visited by beings from other

1428
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,520
worlds

1429
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,520
i just don't necessarily think those

1430
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,839
worlds are you know off in the galaxy

1431
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,359
somewhere and they're flying around

1432
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,160
spaceships oh i don't either um

1433
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,240
because that's a big bugaboo i have i

1434
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:13,520
don't think

1435
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,160
enter going interstellar space and

1436
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,599
showing up here

1437
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:21,839
they're coming here for the most part by

1438
00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,920
some type of rift or portal or wormhole

1439
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:27,920
or whatever you want to call it and they

1440
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,319
may actually be closer than we think i

1441
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:31,839
mean they may just be in a linear

1442
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,200
dimension right right yeah yeah i mean

1443
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,319
if we accept that idea from

1444
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,440
the new physics that there are

1445
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,599
alternate dimensions then who the hell

1446
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,440
knows how many of those dimensions there

1447
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,520
are and what lives there

1448
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:49,920
and what sort of interface that

1449
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:53,119
dimension has with arms absolutely

1450
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,200
and so you know i mean i i'm i'm willing

1451
00:54:02,230 --> 00:53:59,599
to believe that there are

1452
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,240
you know beings coming from other worlds

1453
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:04,480
but those worlds may not be you know

1454
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,880
next to alpha centauri absolutely um

1455
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:08,960
they may be right next door

1456
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:11,200
um

1457
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:14,960
but i i'm struck a lot of times reading

1458
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,680
abduction encounters and again i don't

1459
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,000
want anybody to take this as me poo

1460
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,079
pooing the abduction experience i don't

1461
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,480
care i absolutely believe that there's

1462
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:26,559
something happening to these people oh

1463
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,760
yeah

1464
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,599
i'm not sure what it is but there's

1465
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,359
absolutely something happening to these

1466
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,920
people i am never ever going to say that

1467
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,599
it's not the case

1468
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,640
but i'm often struck by the idea or the

1469
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,280
thought that some of these encounters

1470
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,920
seem to be happening out of body

1471
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:46,000
oh i think it i think it does i think

1472
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:47,839
there are some uh

1473
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,720
some ethereal encounters um yeah you

1474
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,319
know because where they have these

1475
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,400
encounters where the aliens appear in

1476
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,400
the room they seem to walk through the

1477
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,119
doors they they take the people out of

1478
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:01,760
uh of the room through the wall

1479
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,880
um you know and into it and you may not

1480
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,440
even necessarily see a ship they just

1481
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,160
suddenly make a transition into

1482
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,839
another place

1483
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,680
uh where you know you have the typical

1484
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:15,599
examination thing going on and all that

1485
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,480
stuff

1486
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,160
um so

1487
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,079
you know i'm struck by the the idea that

1488
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,559
uh these beings may be more spiritual

1489
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,079
than people are

1490
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,640
are wanting to admit it's a lot like the

1491
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,200
the sasquatch conundrum where you know

1492
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:32,720
everybody wants this to be a flesh and

1493
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,559
blood creature that they can go out and

1494
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,240
put a bullet in and they can drag it

1495
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,920
back and prove to science that they

1496
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,200
exist

1497
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,599
you know everybody wants you know the

1498
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:44,079
ufo experience the abduction experience

1499
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,040
to be

1500
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,040
you know a nuts and bolts

1501
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,799
thing you know where you know if we put

1502
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,480
a missile in this thing you'd shoot it

1503
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:52,640
down and you'd be able to go collect the

1504
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,319
parts or whatever

1505
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,599
and i don't

1506
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,359
you know

1507
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,200
i called my book mysteries in the mist

1508
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,559
for a reason

1509
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,960
it's because i believe in the mystery of

1510
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:04,160
this

1511
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,280
you know and i i i love the mystery of

1512
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:10,000
it that's why i continue to research

1513
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,760
these things and why i'm so interested

1514
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:13,200
in them and why i could sit and talk

1515
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,920
about them for hours if given a chance

1516
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,119
um

1517
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:18,960
it's not because i think i'm ever gonna

1518
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,839
solve anything it's because ah look you

1519
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:24,319
know you have to have that

1520
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,200
uh

1521
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:27,359
that love of mystery

1522
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:29,200
to be in this field because you're never

1523
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:30,400
gonna get a

1524
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:32,000
explanation

1525
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:32,960
you can

1526
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,680
theorize a whole bunch

1527
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,200
yeah but

1528
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,680
we're not gonna get real

1529
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:40,799
you know

1530
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,960
like okay this is exactly what happened

1531
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,839
and we we recovered these bodies and you

1532
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,160
know now we can say definitively that

1533
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:50,319
these people are from alpha centauri or

1534
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:51,599
whatever

1535
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,079
just don't see that happening

1536
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,480
now i could be wrong no but i agree with

1537
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,720
you oh i absolutely agree with that

1538
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,880
there is something else behind all this

1539
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,400
um

1540
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,240
you know i i have been saying for a

1541
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,870
the whole cryptid

1542
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,040
ufo alien

1543
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,280
phenomena there's ties and there's a lot

1544
00:57:17,390 --> 00:57:15,520
of similarities there

1545
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:17,400
are they

1546
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,119
to come through

1547
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,960
or able to

1548
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,040
manifest in our

1549
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,280
our earth plane and then

1550
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,599
you know then vanish again and go in

1551
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,680
back into where they came from

1552
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,720
uh

1553
00:57:38,789 --> 00:57:36,240
i you know i think

1554
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,799
as time has gone by people are being

1555
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,040
more open to that

1556
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,200
um

1557
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,119
for a biggest reason is there's just

1558
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,200
real no it physical evidence of these

1559
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,200
things for the first for any you know

1560
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,200
anything yeah i mean there's no bodies

1561
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,200
or anything to that and beyond that

1562
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,599
there's not much of anything

1563
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,319
and if there ever is a body it seems

1564
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,240
like it always disappears before anybody

1565
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:02,480
can get a chance to look at it

1566
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,520
yeah yeah then there's that you know

1567
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,119
yeah uh

1568
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,280
you know and then you have the the fun

1569
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,280
things like the tracks that go across

1570
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,119
the corn field and then disappear in the

1571
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,160
middle of the corn fields you know

1572
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,000
it's like okay well there's physical

1573
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,680
evidence that something was here and

1574
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:22,960
then it disappeared right um how did

1575
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:25,040
that happen

1576
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,799
so yeah i

1577
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,119
i think that we have to be open to the

1578
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,280
idea that

1579
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,640
there's something much more complex

1580
00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:36,240
going on then

1581
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:38,319
maybe what we want to

1582
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:39,760
admit

1583
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,640
um

1584
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,640
you know because we we want to be able

1585
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:45,359
to put things in nice neat little boxes

1586
00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:47,680
and say okay this is you know this is

1587
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,720
what a sasquatch is you know or whatever

1588
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:52,480
whatever phenomena you're talking about

1589
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,079
you know there are turned apples flying

1590
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,760
around in the 4pm

1591
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:57,200
maybe

1592
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,720
pterodactyls are flying around and then

1593
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,670
was yeah big fan of a british show

1594
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:08,000
called primeval that had these anomalies

1595
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,440
that would open and

1596
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,200
weird creatures would come out it's like

1597
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:13,920
yeah like that

1598
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,670
so um travis why don't you tell folks

1599
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,119
how they can get a hold of you get your

1600
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,079
books and uh get any more information

1601
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,880
uh if you have anything going on coming

1602
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,200
up or you're gonna appear anywhere else

1603
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,599
uh okay so well no i you know the

1604
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,359
conference thing and whatever is kind of

1605
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,640
dead in the water right now with the

1606
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,720
whole code yeah um

1607
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,640
but uh mysteries in the mist is

1608
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,599
available on amazon as you can see uh by

1609
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,240
your your graphic there uh it's

1610
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,400
available on kindle you can get a

1611
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,040
paperback copy

1612
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,680
so it's available in both forms

1613
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,520
and i believe it's been available on

1614
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,200
kindle unlimited as well if you have

1615
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:56,960
that subscription

1616
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:00,319
as far as getting hold of me i have a an

1617
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,760
author page on facebook at wt watson

1618
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,200
author

1619
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:08,079
and i also have a personal account i'm

1620
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:11,839
also available on twitter

1621
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,680
wt watson at wt watson two i believe

1622
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:18,400
um and if you're an instagram person um

1623
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:27,349
um so uh and i welcome you know

1624
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:29,359
interaction with people who've seen

1625
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:31,760
podcasts you know had a couple of people

1626
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,760
who've come to me with reports since a

1627
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,079
fan of black dogs came out

1628
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,640
i'm happy to to talk with people about

1629
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,280
that sort of thing um

1630
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,520
and i think that's about it uh as far as

1631
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,839
other things going um i'm

1632
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,760
going to be appearing on other podcasts

1633
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,280
of course

1634
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:51,520
i'm doing the circuit right now yeah i

1635
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,559
get it

1636
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,400
you know you know how that goes i'm sure

1637
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:56,480
you've done that with your books as well

1638
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,440
um

1639
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:58,880
and uh

1640
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,280
you know i'm working on something else

1641
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:02,960
right now i have contract that's gonna

1642
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:06,000
come due in uh in in the summer time so

1643
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:09,200
there will be more wt watson non-fiction

1644
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,839
fun monster stuff coming out soon yeah i

1645
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,599
get it because i'm i'm already trying to

1646
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,960
figure out what my next one's going to

1647
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,240
be we'll see

1648
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:19,200
yes you're doing a book on on the on the

1649
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,760
beam humanoids this time yeah this

1650
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,079
this took a little bit of ingenuity i

1651
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,799
think uh on my part because it's not

1652
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:31,280
it's not really a subject that i'm

1653
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,240
really looking into but i've been uh

1654
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:36,400
i thought it deserved the

1655
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:37,440
a

1656
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:51,040
where

1657
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:52,559
something that started off as a

1658
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:55,599
creepypasta story suddenly seems to take

1659
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,720
on a life of its own it's bizarre we we

1660
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,960
have to start thinking in terms of

1661
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,960
thought forms and tulpas and that kind

1662
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:04,880
of thing when we when we start to talk

1663
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:08,720
about those those kinds of sightings

1664
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:09,920
and

1665
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:14,000
those beings seemingly having influence

1666
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,359
over people

1667
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,920
either that or we have to talk about

1668
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:19,920
oh there must be a spirit that's picking

1669
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,400
up on this energy and using it

1670
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,799
yeah one of the two things seems to be

1671
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:26,960
most likely to me but

1672
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:29,839
yeah i again like i said i can go on and

1673
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,150
well travis thanks again for coming on

1674
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,880
the show tonight i appreciate it and uh

1675
01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:38,640
you let me know when the book connection

1676
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:41,200
come out i'm i will know uh shannon will

1677
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,119
let me know and oh yeah

1678
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:44,880
so uh you take care and you have a good

1679
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:47,119
weekend yeah thanks very much for your

1680
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,480
time tonight um and

1681
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,119
everybody out there you know stay stay

1682
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:55,440
creepy you know keep looking for stuff

1683
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,480
uh

1684
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,960
yeah i've loved phantoms and monsters

1685
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:00,799
for as long as it's been out there and

1686
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,280
it's it's one of those things that that

1687
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,359
keeps me and uh

1688
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:07,680
uh keeps me in stories when i'm in

1689
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:10,480
between projects so wow that's gonna

1690
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:14,079
take care of so i appreciate it yeah

1691
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,000
well thanks very much swan you take it

1692
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,349
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1693
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,039
sighting feel free to contact me

1694
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,200
directly at uh lawn strickler

1695
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:27,280
phantomsmonsters.com

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or through the phantoms of monsters blog

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site i once again thank wt watson for

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joining me this evening

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watching and chatting if you made a

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uh your support is what makes this

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possible and uh please like subscribe

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paperback as well so um next week

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we're going to have a cryptid round

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table with several investigators and

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researchers

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uh

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most i think most these people i've

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never interviewed before so it should be

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an informative session

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so until that time stay healthy and have